Falling Further Behind ?

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hepcat
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Falling Further Behind ?

Post by hepcat » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm

I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by scorp » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:54 pm

hepcat wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.
Even a spanking new stadium would do little if anything for crowd size if the performance on the pitch was crapola.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by HarryTom » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:56 pm

hepcat wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.
Not sure what you are trying to get across , but ive learnt nothing new.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Anon E Mouse » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm

scorp wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:54 pm
hepcat wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.
Even a spanking new stadium would do little if anything for crowd size if the performance on the pitch was crapola.
Agreed. Play good exciting winning football and the crowds will come no matter what stadium you are playing at.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by supershots » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm

Anon E Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm
scorp wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:54 pm
hepcat wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.
Even a spanking new stadium would do little if anything for crowd size if the performance on the pitch was crapola.
Agreed. Play good exciting winning football and the crowds will come no matter what stadium you are playing at.
You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week

ACA
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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by ACA » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:51 pm

I'll have what supershots is having...

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Ancient Shot » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:55 pm

hepcat wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm no good at links ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yupdx2suyM was what was on the vlog I watched. it featured proposed /being built non league stadiums and it makes it patently obvious how far we are and will be lagging behind if the Rec just carries on as it is. We're way over reliant on gate income and-bar the dwindling hard core faithful-less and less people are encouraged to come; it's a serious downward spiral. (stay aways would cite the Rec non redevelopment as a further sign of "Lack of ambition") Unfair maybe, but we cant stand still . What actually is down in writing that or in motion that redevelopment will take place and what's the time schedule ? Workington -the lowest placed ex league club that has never had to reform (and one we seem to be unnervingly twinning ourselves with) have set proposals for an excellent and ambitious stadium (to be shared with the more successful Rugby side) We're nowhere near that (or any of the others in the vlog). Last season was a disaster averted only by Gateshead's misfortune; but it exposed all the problems the club has if it has any hopes of regaining league status.
Yeah get yer finger out "club" we've had that lease for weeks! :roll:

Have you been festering with that attitude ever since?

Non - development? Trust me, it'll be 18 months before a spade hits the ground. There are A LOT of jobsworths in these authorities you have to negotiate through who will put as many hurdles in your way as they can - and only because they can

Patience puss!

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Richard Petty » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm

supershots wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm
Anon E Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm
scorp wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:54 pm


Even a spanking new stadium would do little if anything for crowd size if the performance on the pitch was crapola.
Agreed. Play good exciting winning football and the crowds will come no matter what stadium you are playing at.
You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week
Blimey, we would struggle to get that level of attendances on a regular basis even if we were in League One Supershots. However putting the figure to one side you are certainly right that a new stadium would attract more supporters.

As has been discussed on here many times there will always be a hard core of Shots supporters who will always turn up whatever the state of the stadium and there are some (not all) lapsed supporters that if we start winning again would probably return regardless of the stadium. But that's not enough we need to attract new support, we need to encourage the younger football fans to come and watch and although there are of course exceptions the youngsters of today generally have much higher expectations of facilities than we did at their age. We also have to remember that family life has also changed massively over the years with a lot more emphasis on family outings rather than the old "Dad and a Lad" time which was almost like a right of passage. Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets, family friendly bars, comfortable seating, quality fast food and good choices (though Wembley don't seem to worry about that one :lol: ).

The Rec whilst emotionally treasured by those with the longer memories is old, dirty, and lacks everything that the modern generations want and expect to see. The sooner the development gets off the ground the better but as Ancient Shot points out even with everyone on board and the plans in place it will take time for a project of this size and whilst its right that we should regularly look forward to updates we do have to show some patience as well.

Lazio
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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Lazio » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:31 pm

ACA wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:51 pm
I'll have what supershots is having...
I think he has had it all.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by shots1965 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 pm

Richard Petty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm
supershots wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm
Anon E Mouse wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:12 pm


Agreed. Play good exciting winning football and the crowds will come no matter what stadium you are playing at.
You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week
Blimey, we would struggle to get that level of attendances on a regular basis even if we were in League One Supershots. However putting the figure to one side you are certainly right that a new stadium would attract more supporters.

As has been discussed on here many times there will always be a hard core of Shots supporters who will always turn up whatever the state of the stadium and there are some (not all) lapsed supporters that if we start winning again would probably return regardless of the stadium. But that's not enough we need to attract new support, we need to encourage the younger football fans to come and watch and although there are of course exceptions the youngsters of today generally have much higher expectations of facilities than we did at their age. We also have to remember that family life has also changed massively over the years with a lot more emphasis on family outings rather than the old "Dad and a Lad" time which was almost like a right of passage. Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets, family friendly bars, comfortable seating, quality fast food and good choices (though Wembley don't seem to worry about that one :lol: ).

The Rec whilst emotionally treasured by those with the longer memories is old, dirty, and lacks everything that the modern generations want and expect to see. The sooner the development gets off the ground the better but as Ancient Shot points out even with everyone on board and the plans in place it will take time for a project of this size and whilst its right that we should regularly look forward to updates we do have to show some patience as well.

Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets

Are toilets supposed to smell like,Roses and Lavender??

You're living In a fantasy world.

PS...
Why are your posts always long winded and boring

Just cut to the chase.

ACA
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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by ACA » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:56 pm

I think the phrase you're looking for is "thoughtful and reasoned", not "long winded and boring".

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Birdman » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:00 pm

shots1965 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 pm
Richard Petty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm
supershots wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm


You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week
Blimey, we would struggle to get that level of attendances on a regular basis even if we were in League One Supershots. However putting the figure to one side you are certainly right that a new stadium would attract more supporters.

As has been discussed on here many times there will always be a hard core of Shots supporters who will always turn up whatever the state of the stadium and there are some (not all) lapsed supporters that if we start winning again would probably return regardless of the stadium. But that's not enough we need to attract new support, we need to encourage the younger football fans to come and watch and although there are of course exceptions the youngsters of today generally have much higher expectations of facilities than we did at their age. We also have to remember that family life has also changed massively over the years with a lot more emphasis on family outings rather than the old "Dad and a Lad" time which was almost like a right of passage. Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets, family friendly bars, comfortable seating, quality fast food and good choices (though Wembley don't seem to worry about that one :lol: ).

The Rec whilst emotionally treasured by those with the longer memories is old, dirty, and lacks everything that the modern generations want and expect to see. The sooner the development gets off the ground the better but as Ancient Shot points out even with everyone on board and the plans in place it will take time for a project of this size and whilst its right that we should regularly look forward to updates we do have to show some patience as well.

Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets

Are toilets supposed to smell like,Roses and Lavender??

You're living In a fantasy world.

PS...
Why are your posts always long winded and boring

Just cut to the chase.
I think that this side of the Atlantic they’re called ‘informative’.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Bathgateshots » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:09 am

Richard,

Your post hit the nail on the head. The loyal hardcore will keep coming no matter what, attracting new fans and keeping them coming back is the hard part for us and impossible with the Rec as it is. Take Chesterfield (now in our division of course), their new ground saw crowds rise from 2-2,500 at the old Saltergate to 6-7,000 at their new ground while on the pitch they didn't exactly set the world alight. Although mismanagement has seen them tumble a couple of divisions, even last year I think they still averaged 3,500 during an awful season for them (and still some 1,000-1,500 more than their old average in a decaying stadium). It shows that by and large new stadia attracts new fans.

I'm trying to think of any club where a new stadium has seen crowds fall or not produce more much needed match day revenue.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by lanternhall » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:21 am

shots1965 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 pm
Richard Petty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm
supershots wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm


You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week
Blimey, we would struggle to get that level of attendances on a regular basis even if we were in League One Supershots. However putting the figure to one side you are certainly right that a new stadium would attract more supporters.

As has been discussed on here many times there will always be a hard core of Shots supporters who will always turn up whatever the state of the stadium and there are some (not all) lapsed supporters that if we start winning again would probably return regardless of the stadium. But that's not enough we need to attract new support, we need to encourage the younger football fans to come and watch and although there are of course exceptions the youngsters of today generally have much higher expectations of facilities than we did at their age. We also have to remember that family life has also changed massively over the years with a lot more emphasis on family outings rather than the old "Dad and a Lad" time which was almost like a right of passage. Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets, family friendly bars, comfortable seating, quality fast food and good choices (though Wembley don't seem to worry about that one :lol: ).

The Rec whilst emotionally treasured by those with the longer memories is old, dirty, and lacks everything that the modern generations want and expect to see. The sooner the development gets off the ground the better but as Ancient Shot points out even with everyone on board and the plans in place it will take time for a project of this size and whilst its right that we should regularly look forward to updates we do have to show some patience as well.

Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets

Are toilets supposed to smell like,Roses and Lavender??

You're living In a fantasy world.

PS...
Why are your posts always long winded and boring

Just cut to the chase.
That is a bit harsh. He is absolutely right. I started watching shots in 1970. The Rec hasn't changed apart from community stand.

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Re: Falling Further Behind ?

Post by Red-n-Blue » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:37 am

shots1965 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:10 pm
Richard Petty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm
supershots wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm


You are missing his point, if we had a brand spanking new stadium we would be getting 8-9000 each week
Blimey, we would struggle to get that level of attendances on a regular basis even if we were in League One Supershots. However putting the figure to one side you are certainly right that a new stadium would attract more supporters.

As has been discussed on here many times there will always be a hard core of Shots supporters who will always turn up whatever the state of the stadium and there are some (not all) lapsed supporters that if we start winning again would probably return regardless of the stadium. But that's not enough we need to attract new support, we need to encourage the younger football fans to come and watch and although there are of course exceptions the youngsters of today generally have much higher expectations of facilities than we did at their age. We also have to remember that family life has also changed massively over the years with a lot more emphasis on family outings rather than the old "Dad and a Lad" time which was almost like a right of passage. Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets, family friendly bars, comfortable seating, quality fast food and good choices (though Wembley don't seem to worry about that one :lol: ).

The Rec whilst emotionally treasured by those with the longer memories is old, dirty, and lacks everything that the modern generations want and expect to see. The sooner the development gets off the ground the better but as Ancient Shot points out even with everyone on board and the plans in place it will take time for a project of this size and whilst its right that we should regularly look forward to updates we do have to show some patience as well.

Families want more than just the event itself they want a complete day out, and a venue with clean decent smelling toilets

Are toilets supposed to smell like,Roses and Lavender??

You're living In a fantasy world.

PS...
Why are your posts always long winded and boring


Just cut to the chase.
Jesus wept. :roll:

You're criticising a fellow Shots fan because he takes the trouble to post articulate, well-balanced comments? Would you prefer it if everyone posted mono-syllabic drivel?

And for the record, I took my football-loving daughter to The Rec when she was younger and she refused to return because the toilets were disgusting. Just because you're happy to p*ss into a bucket, doesn't mean everyone is.


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