Football Betting (and The Shots)

Cph.shots
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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by Cph.shots » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:38 pm

Josh wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:39 pm
Lazio wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:37 pm
I have seen more addiction over the past 35 years than you could believe.
Addiction comes from the person not the source, if you can't handle things don't do them, self awareness is a wonderful thing.There are people who cant handle things it doesn't mean others have to suffer because of them. You don't close all the pubs because some people are alcoholic, same logic applies to bookies/racecourses/football grounds and almost every other pastime because a few people have an issue. There are plenty of safeguards and support in place to help people set limits. If your 14 year old daughter bought a knife I would suggest you report the shop to the authorities as they are breaking the law selling it to her.
Lazio, I don't think anyone has said gambling should be outlawed and no one has said anyone should stop betting because some people get addicted. They have said gambling advertising should not be promoted which is a separate matter. Until the bookmakers brought in their own legislation about not showing adverts before 9pm, you couldn't watch a game of football without witness "Tap Tap Boom," or Ray Winstone talking about the latest special odds. If you think it's a good idea that children can watch football and learn all about the art of gambling then that is fine but the bookmakers disagree with you.

It's the same with smoking. Smoking advertising was banned many years ago but smoking is still legal. The Government obviously felt it wasn't right that a habit which had a correlation with cancer should be promoted.

People have the right to choose what they want. It's whether it is correct to promote a habit which we know is causing problems to people.
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Good sensible post Josh. Like tobacco, betting advertising will be banned eventually but it will be too late and there will already be many thousands of addicts and people with massive debts that need to be helped and the ("nanny" ) state, will have to pick up the pieces while all the money the betting companies earn disappears off shore.

There has always been gambling and most people know there limits but constant barrage of advertising is creating an epidemic. I don't know about in the UK but in Denmark, there are ads for quick {very expensive) loans right before and after gambling ads, a recipe for disaster.... Imo.

lanternhall
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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by lanternhall » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:44 pm

Lazio wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:16 pm
FATBOY wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... a93c4d3671

Ask Scotty Davies what he thinks...
Did anybody grab hold of him and drag him into the bookies?Harsh maybe but everyone has to make their own decisions in life and live with the consequences. Personally I prefer George Bests outlook " I spent my money on wine women and fast cars, the rest I just wasted".
Some people because of their illness (because that is what it is) are incapable of making the sensible decision and stopping. Gambling attracts people with addictive personalities. It ruins lives, destroys relationships and sometimes results in suicide.

Of course it should not be banned but it also should not be promoted by advertising, especially through football which is watched by children and young people. That is the market that the betting companies want.

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by hepcat » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:08 pm

Watch any gambling advertisement and you see nothing but people winning vast sums of cash and its all hugs and kisses and party time. This sort of illusion does rope in problem gamblers , and the patronisingly stupid tag "When the fun stops stop" is irrelevant if you're addicted. Pro gamblers don't have hunches on a 20-1 outsider, they use betting systems and wait for the right races (and they can't do it online because as soon as a betting company spots this they close the account!) Most of the big wins (£500k or whatever) are flukes which the betting firms love to publicise as it ropes in mug punters who think their turn will come on an impossible 20 bet accumulator . I can't see any betting firm giving realistic adverts a spin , so maybe stopping them- as with smoking- is the only way.
I'm not against gambling ; can't stand the nanny state dictating what we can and cant do . To me gambling awareness is knowing that the adverts are a fantasy and that the bookies don't like winners and close accounts of winning punters (ie it's all them, never you that wins)
Football bets are lousy bets. On away trips years back we used to try and predict the scores of all the league games. A matey said if we got 10 correct out of all the 4 Divisions he'd give us £100 for a £5 bet (correct as in predicting 2-1 and it was 2-1) Never paid out; so think how impossible the "Right score First scorer" bets are-with lousy odds of 10-1 or so !

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by scorp » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am

"Britain bans using credit cards to gamble"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... KKBN1ZD0PF

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s 24 million adult gamblers will not be able to use credit cards to make bets under a new rule designed to prevent consumers from building up too much debt, sending shares in betting companies sharply lower.

The Gambling Commission said on Tuesday the ban, which comes into effect on April 14, will apply to all online and offline gambling products apart from over-the-counter lottery tickets.

Research by the commission classes 22% of online gamblers who use credit cards as “problem gamblers”.

More at that link.

Cph.shots
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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by Cph.shots » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:54 am

scorp wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am
"Britain bans using credit cards to gamble"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... KKBN1ZD0PF

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s 24 million adult gamblers will not be able to use credit cards to make bets under a new rule designed to prevent consumers from building up too much debt, sending shares in betting companies sharply lower.

The Gambling Commission said on Tuesday the ban, which comes into effect on April 14, will apply to all online and offline gambling products apart from over-the-counter lottery tickets.

Research by the commission classes 22% of online gamblers who use credit cards as “problem gamblers”.

More at that link.
A step in the right direction and will hopefuly make people think twice before placing a bet. Still think the advertising should be curbed too though.

Lazio
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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by Lazio » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:49 pm

Actually a good idea, but needs to be harder to get a credit card to start with as people who cant cope with them end up causing trouble to others.
What needs to happen in this country is financial education in schools,instead of all the political correctness they indoctrinate kids with.

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by Richard Petty » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:31 pm

scorp wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am
"Britain bans using credit cards to gamble"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... KKBN1ZD0PF

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s 24 million adult gamblers will not be able to use credit cards to make bets under a new rule designed to prevent consumers from building up too much debt, sending shares in betting companies sharply lower.

The Gambling Commission said on Tuesday the ban, which comes into effect on April 14, will apply to all online and offline gambling products apart from over-the-counter lottery tickets.

Research by the commission classes 22% of online gamblers who use credit cards as “problem gamblers”.

More at that link.
I didn't know you could use a credit card to place bets, I cant believe it was ever allowed how flippin stupid I assumed online gamblers had to use pre paid accounts with money deposited in them. No wonder people get into debt gambling

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by lanternhall » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:07 am

Richard Petty wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:31 pm
scorp wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am
"Britain bans using credit cards to gamble"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... KKBN1ZD0PF

"LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s 24 million adult gamblers will not be able to use credit cards to make bets under a new rule designed to prevent consumers from building up too much debt, sending shares in betting companies sharply lower.

The Gambling Commission said on Tuesday the ban, which comes into effect on April 14, will apply to all online and offline gambling products apart from over-the-counter lottery tickets.

Research by the commission classes 22% of online gamblers who use credit cards as “problem gamblers”.

More at that link.
I didn't know you could use a credit card to place bets, I cant believe it was ever allowed how flippin stupid I assumed online gamblers had to use pre paid accounts with money deposited in them. No wonder people get into debt gambling
It beggers belief. Do you honestly think that the betting companies care. Only reason that they took action about compulsive gamberlies was because the government made them and bad publicity.

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by ganesh » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:55 pm

as with any addiction it starts off with a bit of innocent fun, recreational drugs, gambling, smoking, drinking, even collecting things which results in hoarding and compulsions.

Unfortunately some of us do not have a fully functional on/off button and hence some become addicted

Advertising, the law, peer pressure it is all often ignored and IMO has little or no affect on the outcome.

Unfortunately, the advertising for gambling is currently right in our faces, every sports channel, including talksport it's there saying go on do it, and now with on-line accounts there is nothing to stop some poor soul racking up debts using credit cards.

I personally do a little Heinz bet once a week, 7 games - 120 10p bets cost me £12.00, if I get 5 out of 7 results right I'm normally in pocket, less and I lose. £50 on at the start of the season can often last most of the season. But I regularly have to decline free bets in the casino, or other betting avenues within the website as I log-in and it would be all too easy to try these other bets.

Will doing away with adverts stop gambling addiction, no, but the active chasing of the betting companies of those they know like a bet is not right and is the equivalent of walking up to a recovering alcoholic and leaving a drink in front of them and saying i'll leave that there in case you fancy it later. The betting companies are their own worse enemies and if advertising is banned in the future, as well as their predatory practices, they will have no one to blame but themselves.

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by Fuggletim » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:57 pm

ganesh wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:55 pm
as with any addiction it starts off with a bit of innocent fun
Watching the Shots..........😬😬?

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by lanternhall » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 pm

ganesh wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:55 pm
as with any addiction it starts off with a bit of innocent fun, recreational drugs, gambling, smoking, drinking, even collecting things which results in hoarding and compulsions.

Unfortunately some of us do not have a fully functional on/off button and hence some become addicted

Advertising, the law, peer pressure it is all often ignored and IMO has little or no affect on the outcome.

Unfortunately, the advertising for gambling is currently right in our faces, every sports channel, including talksport it's there saying go on do it, and now with on-line accounts there is nothing to stop some poor soul racking up debts using credit cards.

I personally do a little Heinz bet once a week, 7 games - 120 10p bets cost me £12.00, if I get 5 out of 7 results right I'm normally in pocket, less and I lose. £50 on at the start of the season can often last most of the season. But I regularly have to decline free bets in the casino, or other betting avenues within the website as I log-in and it would be all too easy to try these other bets.

Will doing away with adverts stop gambling addiction, no, but the active chasing of the betting companies of those they know like a bet is not right and is the equivalent of walking up to a recovering alcoholic and leaving a drink in front of them and saying i'll leave that there in case you fancy it later. The betting companies are their own worse enemies and if advertising is banned in the future, as well as their predatory practices, they will have no one to blame but themselves.
Excellent post. 100% agree

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Re: Football Betting (and The Shots)

Post by scorp » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:58 pm

A safe-ish form of betting is buying shares in investment trusts... in a SIPP or an ISA. Some homework is required, but then it's fairly brainless [up to a point]; and usually not for short term gain - unless.


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