Taking The Knee

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Charles Dickens
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Charles Dickens » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:09 pm

Middleman wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:09 pm
Preston not all Germans were Nazis......that aside they were German manufacturers so had to do as told by the state. You visit their museum in Germany the Nazi years are not mentioned.
Also does that mean everyone who drives a German car is a Nazi ? I think old Bob will tear you apart on this one
Nazis Germany lost two World Wars but are smart enough to try a different approach with their aim for World economic domination. Certainly it is pay back time for the Germans with regard to Brexit, with their economic britzkreig smash and grab through the backdoor of the EU.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Fuggletim » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm

Whilst it is still true that Germany lost 2 x World Wars, "Nazi" Germany lost only one. National Socialism or Naziism grew in a heavily defeated and humiliated Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. It did exist in a recognisable form in 1914.

Post War, the Allies poured billion of dollars into rebuilding the economies of both Germany and Japan, partially to ensure extremism never rose again and threatened World peace. A great example of this was how the British got the Volkswagen company up and running again in the late 1940s.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Jason » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:44 pm

redblueuptoyou wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:05 am
I just saw this (from a WWE fighter, of all people) and would be interested in the views of those who said sport and politics should be kept separate - especially given our proud military history and association:

‘If we wish to “keep politics out of sports”, that also means no longer playing the national anthem and suspending any and all military ceremonies from all sporting events.‘
I think this again falls back to the usual unwritten attitude of;
Politics should be kept out of sport (unless it is the politics I agree with).

Another thing that people often say is "I dont mind people protesting as long as they do it peacefully and dont cause anyone else any problems". But then they dont like a dance on a tv show or a player taking a moment to kneel down before a game!

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Post by Crowthorne » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:59 pm

Just ignore it is probably the best option. I dont have any time for the national anthem so I don't take any notice of it, but I wouldn't interrupt if others want to sing it. The main two clubs that are most hostile to the anthem have their own issues and one is so anti British that they carry a foreign flag.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm

I think it's probably time for the kneeling at the beginning of Premier League games to stop; the point has been made.

My problem with Black Lives Matter is the same as with any other protest organisation in this country: at their core is a group of extreme anti-capitalists who become dominant in the group because protesting is effectively their job.

Take down the statue of Edward Colston? Good job! Colston was a nonentity who was fortunate in the circumstances of his birth, got rich from an immoral trade and was lauded for then giving some of his money to the city of Bristol. The continued celebration of a man who treated humans as goods was repugnant. The protest and the point it made was a sound one.

Deface the statue of Churchill? His reputation isn't based on money, it was built on a judgement call that literally changed the course of human history for the better. He had views and traits that were unattractive, so do many famous people. In no way does a statue of Churchill insult any British person of any colour or ethnicity. But the unhinged fringe attacked that statue and have tarnished the cause they claim to support. They have the same mentality as hooligans who go to a football match wanting a fight but pretend that they are motivated by love for the team.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by EastbankAndy » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:57 pm

Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm
I think it's probably time for the kneeling at the beginning of Premier League games to stop; the point has been made.

My problem with Black Lives Matter is the same as with any other protest organisation in this country: at their core is a group of extreme anti-capitalists who become dominant in the group because protesting is effectively their job.

Take down the statue of Edward Colston? Good job! Colston was a nonentity who was fortunate in the circumstances of his birth, got rich from an immoral trade and was lauded for then giving some of his money to the city of Bristol. The continued celebration of a man who treated humans as goods was repugnant. The protest and the point it made was a sound one.

Deface the statue of Churchill? His reputation isn't based on money, it was built on a judgement call that literally changed the course of human history for the better. He had views and traits that were unattractive, so do many famous people. In no way does a statue of Churchill insult any British person of any colour or ethnicity. But the unhinged fringe attacked that statue and have tarnished the cause they claim to support. They have the same mentality as hooligans who go to a football match wanting a fight but pretend that they are motivated by love for the team.
Totally agree Posh. Give me a shout before you leave these shores bud👍

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by lanternhall » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:14 pm

Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm
I think it's probably time for the kneeling at the beginning of Premier League games to stop; the point has been made.

My problem with Black Lives Matter is the same as with any other protest organisation in this country: at their core is a group of extreme anti-capitalists who become dominant in the group because protesting is effectively their job.

Take down the statue of Edward Colston? Good job! Colston was a nonentity who was fortunate in the circumstances of his birth, got rich from an immoral trade and was lauded for then giving some of his money to the city of Bristol. The continued celebration of a man who treated humans as goods was repugnant. The protest and the point it made was a sound one.

Deface the statue of Churchill? His reputation isn't based on money, it was built on a judgement call that literally changed the course of human history for the better. He had views and traits that were unattractive, so do many famous people. In no way does a statue of Churchill insult any British person of any colour or ethnicity. But the unhinged fringe attacked that statue and have tarnished the cause they claim to support. They have the same mentality as hooligans who go to a football match wanting a fight but pretend that they are motivated by love for the team.

You may find this hard to believe but I actually agree with you. Excellent post. Your points on statues of Colston and Churchill are spot on.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Charles Dickens » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:54 am

Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm
I think it's probably time for the kneeling at the beginning of Premier League games to stop; the point has been made.

My problem with Black Lives Matter is the same as with any other protest organisation in this country: at their core is a group of extreme anti-capitalists who become dominant in the group because protesting is effectively their job.

Take down the statue of Edward Colston? Good job! Colston was a nonentity who was fortunate in the circumstances of his birth, got rich from an immoral trade and was lauded for then giving some of his money to the city of Bristol. The continued celebration of a man who treated humans as goods was repugnant. The protest and the point it made was a sound one.

Deface the statue of Churchill? His reputation isn't based on money, it was built on a judgement call that literally changed the course of human history for the better. He had views and traits that were unattractive, so do many famous people. In no way does a statue of Churchill insult any British person of any colour or ethnicity. But the unhinged fringe attacked that statue and have tarnished the cause they claim to support. They have the same mentality as hooligans who go to a football match wanting a fight but pretend that they are motivated by love for the team.
I Agree these left wing extremists and the arty luvies who continue to insult the British people, need to be put back in their boxes.It would help if the police and the legal system arrested and prosecuted the criminals who break the law and damage public or private property.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by lanternhall » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:40 am

Charles Dickens wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:54 am
Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm
I think it's probably time for the kneeling at the beginning of Premier League games to stop; the point has been made.

My problem with Black Lives Matter is the same as with any other protest organisation in this country: at their core is a group of extreme anti-capitalists who become dominant in the group because protesting is effectively their job.

Take down the statue of Edward Colston? Good job! Colston was a nonentity who was fortunate in the circumstances of his birth, got rich from an immoral trade and was lauded for then giving some of his money to the city of Bristol. The continued celebration of a man who treated humans as goods was repugnant. The protest and the point it made was a sound one.

Deface the statue of Churchill? His reputation isn't based on money, it was built on a judgement call that literally changed the course of human history for the better. He had views and traits that were unattractive, so do many famous people. In no way does a statue of Churchill insult any British person of any colour or ethnicity. But the unhinged fringe attacked that statue and have tarnished the cause they claim to support. They have the same mentality as hooligans who go to a football match wanting a fight but pretend that they are motivated by love for the team.
I Agree these left wing extremists and the arty luvies who continue to insult the British people, need to be put back in their boxes.It would help if the police and the legal system arrested and prosecuted the criminals who break the law and damage public or private property.

I agree that protests do get hijacked by a minority of trouble makers. How do you know that they are left wing extremists. Have you spoken to them? Maybe they are just hooligans. Back in the day. Were all football hooligans left wing extremists?
I believe the majority of people protest peacefully because they have a social conscious.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Marcus ex W.Midlands Shot » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:18 am

I would say many of the troublemakers at protests are anarchists and don't really have a position on the political left / right divide. The slightly shady figures who seem to be important in BLM are left-wingers in that they revere the Bolsheviks and would hold to the basic principle that the Russian Revolution was right and what came after it was wrong.

These types become central to protest movements because they are good at protesting. Due to their influence, in quite short time, a popular central idea (e.g. that black people are treated worse by the police and this should change) becomes mixed in with all sorts of other radical political demands and so begins a gradual decline into irrelevance. This happened with the Stop the War movement which is still going in some form and is now stuffed with horribly toxic people. But that doesn't mean that it was wrong to protest against the war in Iraq.

I have worked in three other countries already. Based on my experiences I will firmly defend the right to protest because the development of a nation is stunted if opposing views cannot be heard, and corruption is much more prevalent when there is no opportunity to make accusations (even if they can't be proved). I take the point about the damage to property but the most memorable protests will have an element of theatre and at the end of the day you can't kill or drown a statue.

Lanternhall and Charles D, keep going. Arguments are good. And at the end of the day we are all on the right side of history, because we're not Reading fans.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by chimpster99 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:39 pm

"At the end of the day we are all on the right side of history, because we're not Reading fans."
:lol: :lol:

Love it, can we have that put on a large plaque next to the turnstiles?!!

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by lowerbourneshot » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm

3 northern lge games visit last week ,the knee was not taken.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Shots70 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:29 pm

lowerbourneshot wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm
3 northern lge games visit last week ,the knee was not taken.
Disgraceful behaviour, racist vermin :wink:

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Preston Shot » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:47 pm

lowerbourneshot wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm
3 northern lge games visit last week ,the knee was not taken.
Probably because there was no cameras or publicity involved .....

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Shots70 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:54 pm

Preston Shot wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:47 pm
lowerbourneshot wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm
3 northern lge games visit last week ,the knee was not taken.
Probably because there was no cameras or publicity involved .....
Or basically not being forced to do it, I think we’ve got the message now and the best thing to do is to punish anyone who did what those American police did like any crime not this knee nonsense


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