Taking The Knee

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Preston Shot
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Preston Shot » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm

Lewis Hamilton he’s another dummy.....
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.

Old Bob
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Old Bob » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Moving Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:04 am
Old Bob wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:03 pm
Red-n-Blue wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:09 pm
A fair response but George Floyd was a US citizen, murdered in the US where there still remains a significant problem with racism.

Here in the UK, do we have a similar problem with racism within the police force? I'd suggest we don't, but I'm not blind to the data ...
I refer you to my post of a week or two ago.

Briefly, we are not much better than the US.

Taking the figures that I was able to find at face value ...

Black people 2.5 times more likely than non-black people to die at the hands of police in US.

Black people 2.0 times more likely than non-black people to die at the hands of police in UK.

Not much room for complacency there, I suggest.
"Old Bob" you seem to have all the statistics/figures on this in front of you....
When the Police Stop & Search blacks, what time of the day are they being stopped?
Lunchtime?, when they are off to get a lunchtime sandwich when at work??
..Or, 3 in the morning when they are hanging about on street corners???....
Sorry not to reply before to your very sensible post. I've been out for the day, collecting statistics :lol:

Yes, you are so so right. How very silly Old Bob is to refer to all these boring facts and figures. So much better to base your opinions and arguments on eff all (except prejudice and ignorance). And so much more convenient. That way you don't have to do any research, bother to inform yourself, that sort of dumb thing.

Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways. I will try really hard to be more ignorant, ill-informed and prejudiced in future.

Cheers!

Old Bob
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Old Bob » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:03 pm

Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm
Lewis Hamilton he’s another dummy.....
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.
What a pathetic post!

What connection is there between supporting an anti-racist cause and having the talent to make yourself rich as a multiple world champion? Precisely none.

Turnkey
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Turnkey » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:17 pm

Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.
What’s the issue with Merc and Hugo Boss?

Middleman
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Middleman » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:24 pm

Lets see I love Mercedes Benz, feel they may have trouble after December in this country along with the rest of the German car makers.......lets hope so.

Preston Shot
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Preston Shot » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:56 pm

Old Bob wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:03 pm
Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm
Lewis Hamilton he’s another dummy.....
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.
What a pathetic post!

What connection is there between supporting an anti-racist cause and having the talent to make yourself rich as a multiple world champion? Precisely none.
Was it not the Nazis who forced the Jews into slaves to make Uniforms and armoured vehicles.
These are facts and it doesn’t matter that it happened 80 years ago.
If Hamilton has any principles he’d look into the history of his sponsors background.

Turnkey
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Turnkey » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:56 pm
Old Bob wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:03 pm
Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm
Lewis Hamilton he’s another dummy.....
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.
What a pathetic post!

What connection is there between supporting an anti-racist cause and having the talent to make yourself rich as a multiple world champion? Precisely none.
Was it not the Nazis who forced the Jews into slaves to make Uniforms and armoured vehicles.
These are facts and it doesn’t matter that it happened 80 years ago.
If Hamilton has any principles he’d look into the history of his sponsors background.
Interesting you think that. If that's the case none us should have a single German, or for that matter, a single Japanese product in our homes. Before making sweeping statements about who did what 80 years ago, a little study of the facts is well in order. Should we also boycott Ikea due to the amount of outsourced items Sweden sent to Germany in exchange for stolen gold? Should we not buy Swiss watches due the amount of ill-gotten jewels in the movements? It's a can of worms that, in imho, has no place in modern society.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Crowthorne » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:06 pm

Two Los Angeles police officers shot while sitting in their car, eight already killed in ambushes this year. Morons block the hospital doors shouting we hope they die, this will surely give encouragement to the defund the police idiots.

Middleman
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Middleman » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:09 pm

Preston not all Germans were Nazis......that aside they were German manufacturers so had to do as told by the state. You visit their museum in Germany the Nazi years are not mentioned.
Also does that mean everyone who drives a German car is a Nazi ? I think old Bob will tear you apart on this one

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Birdman » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:09 pm

Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:56 pm
Old Bob wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:03 pm
Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:54 pm
Lewis Hamilton he’s another dummy.....
Happy to support BLM but even more happier to be raking in millions from Mercedes and Hugo Boss.
What a pathetic post!

What connection is there between supporting an anti-racist cause and having the talent to make yourself rich as a multiple world champion? Precisely none.
Was it not the Nazis who forced the Jews into slaves to make Uniforms and armoured vehicles.
These are facts and it doesn’t matter that it happened 80 years ago.
If Hamilton has any principles he’d look into the history of his sponsors background.
The issue that I have with Lewis Hamilton is his support about the planet (Greta Thunberg etc) and his occupation. Maybe motor racing only contributes a minuscule amount to global warming/climate change but it still contributes. Add on flying around the world to various race tracks with his entourage is imo, rather hypocritical.
I’d respect him much more (not that he’s waiting to hear from me) if he said that this racing season would be his last and he’d no longer participate in any unnecessary activities that contributed to global warming. I’ve a feeling though that the lure of the £$€’s (and lifestyle) might be too strong.

Preston Shot
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Preston Shot » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:22 pm

Good thread this one , we’ll have a discussion and agree twenty minutes later I was right in the first place :D
I’m not a fan of Hamilton and his principles.
Lives in a tax haven for starters and all of sudden he’s into BLM big time.
I’m clearly pointing out that he’s being a hypocrite in my opinion.
That’s what it’s about forums, Opinions !!!

I’ve lived in Germany and visited Japan twice.
We could learn a lot off the Japanese as I found them the most respectful and polite nation I have ever visited.
I also drive a Toyota and I own a Bosch washing machine , dishwasher and a Hoover.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by fredandballou » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:15 pm

With the news that Sue Barker, Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell have been given the chop from Question of Sport let's hope for a bit of peace and quiet that at least two of their replacements are coloured or of mixed race.

Middleman
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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by Middleman » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:16 pm

Fair play Preston

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by lanternhall » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:17 pm

Birdman wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:49 pm
lanternhall wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:03 pm
Fuggletim wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:45 pm
Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, Australia and quite a few others seem to have done well since unshackled by the British. Why is this? Could it be that that corruption and ineptitude has affected some of the others? India has been independent for more than 70 x years; can they really blame their current situation on the British?

Changing tack, I have never quite grasped why the English need to be ashamed or accused of being racist and colonialist if they claim to be patriotic. Don’t find that a mindset anywhere else, even in other former coloniast nations like France.
Because we should be ashamed of our racist and colonial history. Reason that a lot of other countries became dictorships after British rule, is because, we did not educate the population.
Yes India can. The British divided the county to create Pakistan with no thought of consequences. Muslims and Hindus who had lived in peace. Killing each other.
I think that the division of India was caused by the Muslim population wanting their own Islamic state. You have to ask the various religious groups why they felt the necessity to butcher and kill others of a different religion.
I’m not saying this is the definitive answer but it might help explain things a bit :- https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/files/teac ... ed-1947pdf

The British divided India and decided what would be Pakistan without any regard for religious beliefs or culture.

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Re: Taking The Knee

Post by lanternhall » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:26 pm

Birdman wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:09 pm
Preston Shot wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:56 pm
Old Bob wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:03 pm


What a pathetic post!

What connection is there between supporting an anti-racist cause and having the talent to make yourself rich as a multiple world champion? Precisely none.
Was it not the Nazis who forced the Jews into slaves to make Uniforms and armoured vehicles.
These are facts and it doesn’t matter that it happened 80 years ago.
If Hamilton has any principles he’d look into the history of his sponsors background.
The issue that I have with Lewis Hamilton is his support about the planet (Greta Thunberg etc) and his occupation. Maybe motor racing only contributes a minuscule amount to global warming/climate change but it still contributes. Add on flying around the world to various race tracks with his entourage is imo, rather hypocritical.
I’d respect him much more (not that he’s waiting to hear from me) if he said that this racing season would be his last and he’d no longer participate in any unnecessary activities that contributed to global warming. I’ve a feeling though that the lure of the £$€’s (and lifestyle) might be too strong.
It is his job. He has been very vocal in saying that F1 needs to move to electric cars or it will die.


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